Guys, old "in"lander here so I myself don't know all that much about seaduckin. I do own a few long lines with several doz surf scoters and blue bills. Attempted to drive to the salt several times and even managed to kill a few, never really gotten inot em but ...the little I've done it, it was great and we had a ball. Have to say for all you chasing you guys chasing those salt bay bombers. Ya better shhot quick cause those things can move